women in the fridge???!!!???

topic posted Thu, January 3, 2008 - 11:49 AM by  joel
has anyone heard of this...???...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wome...rigerators

www.unheardtaunts.com/wir/

i'm a big fan of los bros & don't read much in the superhero world besides batman trade papaerbacks...child of dreams, dark harvest, etc...

anyway, what does the rest of the world think about this???


j
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joel
Albuquerque
  • Re: women in the fridge???!!!???

    Sat, January 5, 2008 - 10:01 AM
    I think there's a pretty quick and easy equation that explains it. In superhero stories, the basic idea is that the hero is defending life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, blah blah blah, against the forces of evil. The easiest way to make a villain seem evil, short of having them blow up the world, is to threaten an object or symbol of vulnerability, usually a woman. It's even worse if it's the hero's love interest. The worse they do to the girlfriend, the more evil the villain. They've been doing that since Snidely Whiplash tied Polly Pureheart to the railroad tracks, no doubt longer.
    • Re: women in the fridge???!!!???

      Sat, January 5, 2008 - 6:23 PM
      interesting point you make...comics tend to rely on easy melodrama wrapped in four colors...a woman tied to the tracks while the house band plays frantic accompaniment does work...people pay big money every month to keep up with it all...just look at the tabloids...

      i'm reminded of the bongwater song "women tied up in knots"...also, there's a long history of bondage art to accompany the more current pop culture reference...

      i'm not pointing to the treatment of women as the reason i moved away from superhero comics...it may be one of many...the treatment of women in other series like elfquest or love and rockets may be a bit more equitable, but i'm still in love with frank from jim woodring...and david b's epileptic/babel hold my attention a bit more these days...also, i finished reading exit wounds before the holidays...great story along the lines of joe sacco's palestine or the new book by harvey pekar...umm...macedonia...

      i'm not hating on superheroes...maybe i want a wider emotional spectrum and am looking at a medium known for using the 8 crayon pack...


      j
      • Re: women in the fridge???!!!???

        Sun, January 6, 2008 - 10:52 AM
        Well, there's good and bad in every genre, but I guess that goes without saying. I read across a pretty broad spectrum of comics -- superhero, auto-bio, just plain weird stuff like Woodring's Frank (one of my favorites too!), and I think there's enough quality stuff going on in superhero comics that you couldn't just say they're all bad.

        This year one of my favorite's was Starlord, a really excellent sci-fi/miliatry styled book with fantastic art. I was also into the Planet Hulk stuff, which was just good knock down drag out fun and Ed Brubaker's Daredevil continues in the great crime drama vein as Bendis. Warren Ellis' Nextwave was a real pleasure, hilarious and the art was great. And despite it's inate juvenality, and ultra-violent abuse of man, woman and animal, Eric Larson's Savage Dragon continues to be one of the most entertaining comics out there, just in terms of what he tries to accomplish with page composition -- it doesn't always work, but damned if he doesn't try.

        Love and Rockets is always a joy, but Los Bros Hernandez haven't been as prolific as they used to be. I was completely underwhelmed by Gilbert's mini-series for Vertigo. So much so that I forget the title.

        There was a really fun indy horror book this year called Bad Planet. I think it was published by IDW but I might be wrong. I'm a big fan of IDW, even if zombies and vampires aren't my thing. But I like their bare-bones-rendering-photoshop-finishes approach to art. So much so that I've adopted it myself in my own work.

        The one problem I have with some indie books is that the art just isn't up to the level of mainstream superhero books. (Speaking of which, Vertigo has really gone to the dogs lately -- the interior art in most of their books is just atrocious. This from a company that used to boast talent like Chris Bachelo, Michael Allred, Dave McKean, Phil Jimenez and Frank Quitely! I haven't bought a vertigo book (except the Hernandez thing) in god knows how long. What are they thinking?)

        I know the big guys have the money to spend on the latest computer programs and assembly line art teams, but still, Marvel's stuff just looks so fantastic. As a cartoonist myself, I often buy books just to stare at the covers and go "How'd he do that?!" A well done superhero comic can still give me that sense of wonder I felt as a kid. For me, that's what it's all about.

        Hey Joe, I love bongwater, you're ok in my book!
        • Re: women in the fridge???!!!???

          Wed, January 9, 2008 - 5:09 PM
          los bros less prolific??? imho, they traded comics for trade paperbacks (sloth, chance in hell, etc). also they're riding the reissue train these days w/ all of the bound volumes coming out. also, the new tales of old palomar held my interest in 2007.

          my latest favorite super hero is stardust by fletcher hanks. dude drew back in the late 30's, but it's everything retro comics should be...

          lambiek.net/artists/f/fletcher_henry.htm

          i agree that the majors have better art, but i'll take stick figures w/ emotionally involving stories over super fresh art with a hollow storyline any day...maybe i've been out of the superhero scene for so long that i don't know who's good anymore...i have enjoyed the back stock from the marvel 70s...i've read ghost rider, power man, and one of the early x-men volumes...

          hmm...bongwater???

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